Barcelona, September 15, 1983
Vicente Beltrán AngladaInterlocutor: Extending the conference on Saturday that was so super interesting and condensed, but perhaps there is a point that I would like you to expand more and that is where you speak of the Disciple Accepted already in the Heart of the Teacher, in the fourth plane of the mental plane, when there is karmic precipitation, and I am curious to know if it is already aware, when it is in that plane, that this precipitation corresponds to it, to which it has been provoked, that it is necessary, if He is physically aware on this plane.
Vicente: The fourth level is the level of the accepted disciple, not in the heart of the Master who is in the fifth plane. So, as our universe is septenary, both in the ashramas and in Shamballa's own spheres are in shared dimensions, if we can say so; The number four that corresponds to the accepted disciples is the most interesting, the most conflictive and also that of the maximum, say, superior expression, if the process is well followed, say, the process. In the fourth subplane gravitates all the strength of the ashrama, because it is the passing point of the energies that come from the Master, of the initiates who constitute, say, their particular council in the ashrama. Those initiates of whom we speak and the lower aspects of the ashrama: the disciples in probation, the spiritual aspirants and the great mass of people who are allied, in one way or another, or affiliated by kinship, relationship or profession laws with some active member of the ashrama, these constitute, say, the periphery of this selective group within the ashrama, or the ashrama itself.
Then, when the individual passes - it is interesting to note this - from the state of probation to acceptance, there is a tremendous crisis in the life of the disciple. We speak of a contact of the disciple in probation with the Master, at the home of the Master if he is in a physical body, or anywhere on the mental plane if the Master does not have a physical body because that can also happen. And, in this little interview the Master asks the disciple: Do you want to be ours? Do you want to belong to the Great Fraternity? The disciple nods because such is the law and then a total change of situation occurs within his life.
Then, by virtue of acceptance, you also accept an increase in the strength of karma, there is precipitation. Karmic precipitation is a process that corresponds mainly to the accepted disciples, to show an affirmative acquiescence to the words of the Master and, then, by the work and grace of this acquiescence they have become active members of the ashrama, whether or not they are aware of it.
An accepted disciple may or may not be aware that he is an accepted disciple, and it is the case that there are initiates who do not know they are initiated, but in their social relationship life they behave as perfect initiates, the difference is this, It is the testimony of grace, as it is said mystically. But, the disciple who is in this state suffers great disorders in his life, say, karmic; then, karma is precipitated in the form of physical illnesses, of diseases that have to do with small disorders in the etheric body, some chakra that does not work properly and has to be re-educated or reoriented and, therefore, by virtue of this precipitation of ashramic force on that center causes by invocation an acceleration of a karma that would have taken perhaps many years to occur and occurs almost instantaneously. They are physical illnesses, they are environmental problems because the disciple becomes sensitive and then he is, say, almost as if he was separated from the environment, he is apart from the environment, he has not yet understood that we must be here even if we are not here, living here without being here as Christ said, has not yet understood the lesson that belongs to this higher stage.
But, what is evident is that the crisis exists, or the multiplicity of crisis. Sometimes physical, astral and mental crises converge in the life of the accepted disciple, all at once. It constitutes what we call a total precipitation and, of course, in the background it becomes like an active participation within the karma of the Planetary Logos, it is necessary to insist on this question, that in this stage of accepted disciple, the disciple must learn to submerge his small problems because they are small contemplated from the causal plane within the great karma of the larger group. The karma that corresponds to the egoic group in the causal plane, the karma that corresponds to the ashrama itself, to the ownership or to the totality of the members that constitute the ashrama, and then also to the totality of the karma of Sanat Kumara, the one who is reporting with His Life the Planet, or He who is above Sanat Kumara, who is the Planetary Logos.
You must learn through precipitation crises to emerge as new within a hemisphere that you still have, there is the difficulty, because we can say that tensions exist when you enter the path of Probation. There is a crisis when one is in the process of an accepted disciple, and there is a quality of emergency or spiritual overcoming, when the disciple ascends to the heights and places himself by law of hierarchy in what is said esoterically: the Heart of the Master. From there begin the initiations of which we made some reference.
But, the interesting thing is that the disciple is perfectly aware that the crises must be faced, they must not be diverted from his path, they come because he has imposed a rhythm on his life different from the rhythm that other human beings are creating. Perhaps you can say that everyone has a crisis and, it is true, but it is one thing to sustain a crisis with a dull sensibility as is the case with the great mass of humanity without any pejorative intent and the crisis that devastates the disciple who has woken up. psychic, or mental, or spiritual sensitivity to all facts and events.
For example, it was common for warriors of the Atlantean race to lose a member in battle and return to battle without the member, because the Atlantean sensibility was very different from Aryan sensibility. Then, psychic sensibility began to unfold, physically it had almost transcended, but the Aryan race has physical sensitivity by the supremely educated nervous system, finely stabilized, it also has psychic sensitivity to everything It happens around him, the feelings, everything that belongs to the emotional team of the human beings that surround him has repercussions on his psychic aura and this causes him great discomfort. And, mentally, he begins to be sensitive to the world of mental meanings and begins to pierce with the sword of justice that cloud of cognizable things referred to by Paul of Tarsus.
He has become a connoisseur, but he still does not have the responsibility to use knowledge for the good of the whole. You must take advantage of the knowledge to solve your small karmic problems, they are big problems when we are analyzing them in our life, say, particular, but when we are on the causal plane and contemplate the small problems of personality, we are seeing that really never a problem is worth considering, they are storms in a glass of water, as it is commonly said. But, if you honestly consider how much has happened to you since you are in more or less active contact with an esoteric group, you should notice fundamentally great transformations, of a spiritual type, of mental type, of emotional type and of physical type.
In one, in the physical aspect, it has come as a consequence of having to redirect a defined center. It is usually the center of the solar plexus producing difficulties in everything we call the individual entrances, and it is that reference that is made of Prometheus, that after reaching the light of the gods is chained on a stone in the high on Olympus, and eagles and vultures gnaw their guts, it gives a little idea of the diseases of the disciple in these initiatory crises that corresponds to the initiation, say, within acceptance in a defined group, it is not the hierarchical initiation, but they are small initiations that are teaching the disciple the path of true initiation.
In any case, all of you have realized that there are crises in your life, that they have increased tenfold, so to speak, since you have come into contact with the group. They will be crises, as I say, physical, emotional, mental, spiritual, each one will have to decide the level where he has to act to solve that particular crisis in his karmic life. I don't know if I have answered you (read or listen completely in the links below)
