Interview with Javier Gómez: “That was Krishnamurti”

  • 2013
Table of contents hide 1 2 Of Galician origin, Javier G mez met in his teens a man who would change his life: Krishnamurti. Krishnamurti must be read with a certain critical spirit, in the sense of seeing what is going on, what he is saying and knowing if it fits or does not fit. . Interview Roberto Carlos Mir s. 2.1 Who is Krishnamurti 3 To know more ... 4 Interview with Javier G mez: As was Krishnamurti

Of Galician origin, Javier Gómez met in his teens a man who would change his life: Krishnamurti. "Krishnamurti must be read with a certain critical spirit, in the sense of seeing what is going on, what he is saying and knowing if it fits or does not fit." Roberto Carlos Mirás interview.

Javier Gómez has been a member of the Krishamurti Latin American Foundation, a former professor at Brockwood Park School (International University created in 1969 in England by Krishnamurti) and translator. He lives between Holland, London and Spain ... He has translated What are you doing with your life ( Amber Ocean) or Dialogues with Krishnamurti (Edaf), among other books. And that has been a good reason to talk to him.

As a student of his work, do you think Krishnamurti was too protected?
Yes! In a sense, yes, we have to understand several dimensions of that protection and I don't understand them all. He was protected by the Theosophists, who were his protectors and his guardians, and - it seems - that he was also protected by other strange, esoteric entities, so to speak. He sometimes said: "In religion there is this theory: when you reach a certain level of virtue, say, you are assigned one or two protectors." And why shouldn't it be like that? He felt protected, and not only physically, by other people like the theosophists, and also, internally, by an enormous security that came from that perception of the other, of the truth.

He left the Order of the Star, dissolved it so as not to create a new church. Did you break everything at that time?
He did not deny, in the end, the reality of the teachers. He never said they didn't exist. He said they were irrelevant, which is very different. He, for example, said that one day he had seen the Buddha and told how he started talking to him. He said: "I'm going to see if it's real, I'm going to see if it's true." I grab it, go through it and think: it's a mirage. The Buddha did not appear again. Since then he continued to perceive perceptions.

You are editor and translator, what has Krishanamurti given you?
It gave me the opportunity to enter into myself in unexpected ways, my relationship with its teachings, a dialogue in which windows are opened within my own interior - of meaning or non-meaning - of my own existence.

What is Krishnamurti talking about?
So many things! It speaks of the individual, of society, of nature, of the human relationship. What is our human relationship? What is our responsibility in this regard? He messes with the structure of human consciousness, with his psychology, then ventures into what we would call another dimension, or something properly religious.

You have commented that you saw Krishnamurti as a Buddha for the 21st century.
It's something personal. There is a great similarity. What they said is practically identical and their emphasis on meditation is practically the same. What does Buddhism say? It tells us about the famous Four Noble Truths of the Buddha. There is suffering and that suffering has a cause; therefore, if it has a cause, there is an end to that suffering, and at the end of that suffering it comes through those eight steps that can be taken. But the central step is that of meditation.

Where does Krishnamurti emphasize?
In meditation. All he speaks is meditation. His teachings are a meditation from silence, seeing all the dynamics of human consciousness, how he deceives himself and how, from that ignorance, will be his own suffering. That is pure Buddhism.

We are in a prison of feelings, fears, anguish - we have to see them along the way - in life itself. We must not think of a means to an end but to act immediately. Our mistake is to think that meditation is a means. First you have to have a means to an end, order. Meditation and order are the same.

That's why Krishnamurti in his talks began talking about the conflict ...
And on how to end it. Only in the freedom of the full security of the love relationship - say - affectionate, intelligent, can that inner peace of which he spoke be able to flourish. Human integrity occurs precisely where there is no conflict and that is our first responsibility. All of that is order.

Y?
There is no difference between meditation and creating that order. Tidying the house is meditation too. Realize where there is disorder, where is that disorder. And that understanding of the disorder is what allows creating an order; If there is not that, there is no order.

Krishnamurti sometimes talks about the method and does not recommend it ...
That maybe is a misunderstanding! He says there is no method, but where? There is a method of yoga and there is a methodic body care. He was extremely methodical in that. Towards yoga asanas so that the body was in full shape and healthy, also towards pranayama to oxygenate the body and give it the maximum energy.

Energy issue?
When he talked about yoga, which he defined as skill in action, he learned to be precise in everything. In his actions, in his way of eating, in his way of behaving, in everything ... And that I try to communicate as a part of education. The precision in the action. Perceive things as they are.

Going back, Javier, who was Krishnamurti?
As I said before, Krishnamurti was Radja Yoga, in the sense that what he is teaching is non-duality, the unitary principle of being. Your integrity with yourself and with the hereafter. He was a great yogi.

Who is attributed "the observer and the observed", to David Bohm or Krishnamurti?
Krishnamurti already used it, not with respect to science, with respect to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. It was a point of union between Western physics and Eastern religious philosophy, say. We try not to observe through a concept that we have already acquired, because that really prevents us from seeing it, because that concept itself transforms what is being seen, distorts it.

For example?
According to the typical Catholic moral structure, we have a series of virtues and sins, especially sins. If we assume that there is a condemnation, then instead of understanding, we condemn, and therefore we never see. If I identify myself with lust, I will be lustful, but what does lust or pride really imply? What does irá imply? Krishnamurti gets there, does not put himself in the plane of the observer.

What do you mean?
Who does not criticize everything from a preconception, from a prejudice, does not begin to prejudge what is supposedly right. Observe but without prejudging.

Krishnamurti said he was no teacher. How have you lived that? Very good! There were people who resisted because they wanted Krishnamurti to be their authority. When we want a teacher or an authority we are contradicting ourselves. We are telling him to tell us what we have to do, but deep down we don't want to do it. Therefore it is contradictory to seek an authority in the field of spirituality.

Who is Krishnamurti

He used to say: “No belief is demanded or demanded, there are no followers, there is no cult, nor any kind of persuasion, in any sense, because only in this way can we find ourselves in the same state. We can then observe together the extraordinary phenomenon that is human existence. ”

He was born in 1895 in a modest Brahmin home in Madapalle, India. His teachings exceed 20 million words, which were published in 120 videos, 75 cassettes and more than 75 books. He said that man has to free himself from fear, conditioning, authority and dogma through his own knowledge. At 90, on February 18, 1986, he died in California.

To know more…

Krishnamurti Biography of Pupul Jayakar (Editorial AlfaOmega)

Diary, I, II; Krishnamurti

Krisnamurti, total freedom (Editorial Kairós)

Krishnamurti: 100 years of wisdom . (Editorial Kairós)

www.fkla.org

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